1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,680 This program is about unsolved mysteries. 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,280 Whenever possible, the actual family members and police 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,280 officials have participated in recreating the events. 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,280 What you are about to see is not a news broadcast. 5 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,880 On the surface, Reggie DiPama was a caring and dedicated 6 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:21,280 fireman. 7 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:25,160 In reality, DiPama was a cynical manipulator who used his 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,160 position as a scout for the fire. 9 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,720 For years, a woman named Miriam was haunted by erratic 10 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,760 frightening images from a life she barely remembered. 11 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,360 In time, a fragmented portrait emerged of two very special 12 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,240 people who Miriam believes helped her survive a 13 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,600 troubled, traumatic childhood. 14 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,520 Based on his own confession, Michael South of Webster, 15 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,520 Texas was convicted of murdering two teenage girls. 16 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,120 The murderers were also accused of murdering two 17 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,000 Texas was convicted of murdering two teenage girls. 18 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,800 The self has always maintained that he is innocent and that 19 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,960 the confession was coerced by a sadistic police chief. 20 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,560 Surprisingly, both a local sheriff and a state prosecutor 21 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:11,120 believe Michael South's story is true. 22 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,600 And from the annals of World War II, the fascinating legend 23 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:19,720 of the ghost blimp, in 1942, a US Navy airship crashed to 24 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,800 Earth in California with no one on board. 25 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:27,920 To this day, the fate of its crew remains an unsolved mystery. 26 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:28,920 Join me. 27 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:30,720 Perhaps you may solve a mystery. 28 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:28,600 Her name is Miriam. 29 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,920 She is 50 years old, lives in New York, 30 00:02:30,920 --> 00:02:33,080 and has one grown daughter. 31 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,720 Miriam's husband died in 1984. 32 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:37,920 And she now does extensive volunteer work 33 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:41,720 with other widows and widowers. 34 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,400 I have this vague feeling that, uh, 35 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,520 In July of 1982, Miriam was seeing a psychologist. 36 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,160 Therapy led her down a frightening path, 37 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,640 filled with confusing fragmented images, 38 00:02:53,640 --> 00:02:56,120 which appeared to spring from the depths of her memory. 39 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:01,120 Oh, my god. 40 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,640 I had this image like a mummy was the only thing 41 00:03:04,640 --> 00:03:05,880 I could like in it, too. 42 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,040 It was so terrifying and so frightening. 43 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:17,080 And I became so petrified by it. 44 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,800 I didn't know what was happening. 45 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:25,800 I didn't understand what was going on. 46 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,920 The human mind is a vast, uncharted universe. 47 00:03:28,920 --> 00:03:32,600 But thoughts and moments and memories lurk randomly. 48 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,840 For 10 years, Miriam has been piecing together 49 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,960 the events of her childhood, attempting to understand 50 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:39,960 what is real and what is not. 51 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,840 Wondering if things happen as she remembers them. 52 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,520 Her doctors are convinced they did. 53 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,000 In any case, Miriam is now embarked 54 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,280 on a search for two people whom she recalls 55 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,160 with love and compassion. 56 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,320 Miriam's journey into her past began in 1983. 57 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,320 Once her disconnected memory started to break through, 58 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,320 they simply refused to go away. 59 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:10,680 I found myself getting up at night and sitting on the floor 60 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,240 in the bathroom. 61 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:18,040 And all of these memories started 62 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,720 coming back of my father attacking me, 63 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:26,840 of my father being subdued by the police. 64 00:04:26,840 --> 00:04:29,280 I really allowed the images. 65 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:31,120 I worked at it. 66 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,120 I let them come and I tried to figure out what I was seeing 67 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,680 and try to understand what was happening to me. 68 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,120 What would happen is that she began to become subject 69 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,120 to what she called flashbacks. 70 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:46,120 These would be images that would suddenly come out of nowhere 71 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:50,120 and grab her in such a way that she would just be paralyzed 72 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,120 for the instant that it occurred. 73 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:56,120 Those flashbacks indicated that there was a certain amount 74 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,120 of abuse that was going on. 75 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,120 Those flashbacks indicated that there was a certain amount 76 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:05,120 of abuse that went on very early in life 77 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,120 that she did not have a handle on. 78 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:11,120 And there was a big part of her that did not want to deal with it. 79 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:17,120 I only remembered good things about my father. 80 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:25,120 And to suddenly have a whole new side of him revealed to me 81 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,120 that he was a terrible shock. 82 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,120 And I remember saying in therapy, 83 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,120 I don't want this to be true. 84 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,120 I don't want to believe this about my father. 85 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,120 Miriam was an only child. 86 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,120 Her father, Harry, died in 1984, 87 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,120 two years into Miriam's psychotherapy. 88 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,120 Although he had often exhibited erratic behavior, 89 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:52,120 Miriam's conscious memories of him had always been happy ones. 90 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,120 Now, however, the years between her third and fifth birthdays 91 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,120 began to haunt her. 92 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,120 At the time, Miriam lived with her mother and father 93 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,120 in Miami Beach. 94 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,120 The detailed recreations you are about to see 95 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,120 are based solely on Miriam's memories. 96 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,120 I don't need a ride, honey. 97 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:10,120 Janet's going to pick me up. 98 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,120 All right. 99 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,120 I'll see you later, Miriam. 100 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:15,120 Bye. 101 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,120 I have to go to the clinic. 102 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,120 I don't see why not. 103 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,120 Honey, I don't think that coconut's right yet. 104 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,120 Honey, what are you talking about? 105 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,120 A coconut is right when it falls off the tree. 106 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,120 That's fine. 107 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,120 Miriam, would you rather have some crackers? 108 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,120 Crackers? She said she wanted a coconut. 109 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,120 What does that even feel? 110 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,120 Oh, not with that knife. 111 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,120 So now your mommy's an expert on coconuts, huh? 112 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,120 Yes. 113 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,120 What? 114 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,120 Just... 115 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,120 Why are you going to be like that? 116 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,120 I remembered that when he grabbed me 117 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,120 and my father was attacking me. 118 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,120 I don't want you! 119 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:09,120 And somehow, I guess I kicked him enough to hurt him 120 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:13,120 and he'd put me down or drop me or whatever. 121 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:17,120 And I ran and wanted to hide from him. 122 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,120 I remember watching from a hiding place 123 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,120 where he finally left me alone. 124 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,120 He was calling me a dog and a cat. 125 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,120 He was calling me an animal. 126 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,120 I mean, he didn't know it was me anymore. 127 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,120 Somehow policemen were there. 128 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,120 My father, I mean, he was ranting. 129 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,120 He had no idea there was anybody there. 130 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,120 Miriam says that she remembers hospital orderlies 131 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,120 with the policemen trying to subdue her father. 132 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,120 She assumes they were called by her mother. 133 00:07:56,120 --> 00:08:01,120 I was terrified beyond anything I can possibly relate to you. 134 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,120 I don't know how to tell you the terror that I felt. 135 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,120 Miriam has come to believe that her father 136 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,120 suffered from severe mental illness. 137 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,120 She now feels certain that while her mother tried to cope, 138 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,120 Miriam herself was taken away. 139 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,120 When I started having these flashbacks, 140 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,120 I started thinking about mommy and daddy. 141 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:30,120 And the images that went with my parents 142 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,120 weren't the images that were popping in my mind 143 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,120 and I didn't know who these people were. 144 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,120 I suddenly realized there were people in my life 145 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:42,120 that were important to me and I didn't know who they were. 146 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,120 I brought you something to eat. 147 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:50,120 I'm really afraid. It's all right. 148 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:56,120 I remember I was absolutely frightened out of my mind. 149 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:03,120 Slowly I realized that this was a safe place, 150 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:08,120 that these people were kind and they weren't going to hurt me 151 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:14,120 and they were loving and I was very happy there. 152 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,120 What are you coloring, sweetheart? 153 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,120 As the gates of repressed memory opened, 154 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:25,120 Miriam began to believe she had once been placed with foster parents. 155 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:29,120 She was inundated with images of warmth and love. 156 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:34,120 My foster father had white hair and he was a young man. 157 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,120 It was very striking. 158 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,120 I remember his hands. 159 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:46,120 I remember that they were strong and powerful hands 160 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,120 that made me feel very safe. 161 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,120 Miriam believes she called her foster parents 162 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,120 Mommy, Pat and Daddy, Mike. 163 00:09:56,120 --> 00:10:00,120 Mike was a fireman and Pat sang her to sleep 164 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,120 with Irish lullabies. 165 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,120 I remember a song called Tura Lura Lura. 166 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,120 All my life I've known this lullaby was sung to me. 167 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,120 I just remember being hugged and kissed 168 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:24,120 and just playing with Mommy Pat's ringlets 169 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,120 and the overwhelming sense of being loved. 170 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:34,120 They thought I was the most wonderful child in the world. 171 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,120 And I really delighted in that. 172 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,120 We have to talk to you. 173 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,120 There's some people who think it might be... 174 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,120 But unhappy memories soon intruded. 175 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,120 First a serious discussion with Mike and Pat. 176 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,120 Miriam sensed that she was about to lose them. 177 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:55,120 Baby, what's important is that we love you. 178 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,120 You always love you. 179 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,120 Always love you. 180 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,120 After hearing the testimony of all the parties... 181 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,120 Miriam then saw herself in a courtroom 182 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,120 sitting with a social worker. 183 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,120 Her real parents as well as Pat and Mike were also there. 184 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,120 Clearly Miriam Parton's foster parents 185 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,120 have provided a good home during a difficult period. 186 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,120 However, in cases like this 187 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,120 we must consider first and foremost 188 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,120 the best interest of the child. 189 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,120 Since the original reasons for placement in the foster home 190 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,120 no longer exist 191 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,120 it's the decision of this court 192 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,120 that Miriam Parton be returned to the 193 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,120 physical custody of her natural parents. 194 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,120 Court is adjourned. 195 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:53,120 I was very, very distraught. 196 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,120 I did not want to leave them. 197 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,120 As far as I was concerned 198 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:05,120 these are the people I wanted to spend the rest of my life with. 199 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:21,120 I really didn't remember about that kiss for a very long time. 200 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,120 Actually it didn't come until almost 201 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,120 the very, very end of all my memories 202 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:31,120 in fact that was probably one of the very last flashbacks I had. 203 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,120 And until I had that memory 204 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:38,120 I really felt at a loss. 205 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,120 And somehow 206 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,120 that I love you 207 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:48,120 that came across in that kiss 208 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,120 has been enough for me 209 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,120 to make peace with the loss 210 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,120 and to go on with my life 211 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:00,120 and just keep their memory in my soul and in my heart. 212 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,120 Miriam lived with her natural parents 213 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,120 until she married at the age of 21. 214 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:09,120 At the age of 47 she began her search for Mike and Pat. 215 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,120 Their names were Pat and Mike 216 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,120 and I think their last name was McGuire. 217 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,120 According to Miriam 218 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,120 her mother admits that Miriam's father had emotional problems 219 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,120 and life was often difficult. 220 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,120 However Miriam says her mother denies 221 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,120 that she was ever placed in foster care 222 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,120 which has prompted suggestions 223 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,120 that Miriam might suffer from false memory syndrome 224 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:37,120 and that Mike and Pat might never have existed. 225 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,120 The question of whether this is made up 226 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,120 certainly arises because it's hard to believe 227 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,120 that people could be this way. 228 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,120 All right. 229 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,120 But I can't help but believe 230 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,120 that this is the absolute truth. 231 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,120 There may be a certain amount of condensation 232 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,120 and distortion around the edges 233 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,120 but essentially I think that the story is accurate 234 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,120 and it was relayed in a truthful manner 235 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:08,120 especially since all during the relation of this tale 236 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:11,120 Miriam was wanting to get out of the treatment. 237 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,120 Her emotional reactions 238 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,120 to the pieces and to the whole 239 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,120 were consistent with a real event 240 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,120 and not with a fantasy. 241 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,120 And in repeated flashbacks 242 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,120 we got the beautiful picture 243 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:36,120 of these marvelous foster parents 244 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,120 and without these months 245 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,120 with two loving parents 246 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,120 she might not have survived. 247 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,120 They gave me a lot. 248 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:52,120 They saved me from despair 249 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,120 and I would like them to know 250 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,120 that there was a good outcome. 251 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:02,120 I just pray that their lives are wonderful 252 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,120 and that they've had happiness 253 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,120 and I hope that I'll get a chance 254 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,120 to be reunited with them 255 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,120 and share with them the good things 256 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,120 that I have in my life. 257 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,120 Miriam believes that she lived with her foster parents 258 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,120 in 1945 or 1946 259 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,120 when she was between three and four years old. 260 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,120 She remembers her last name as Maguire. 261 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,120 Neither records of a court hearing 262 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,120 nor records of foster care for Miriam had been found. 263 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,120 However, the Dade County Clerk's office 264 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,120 says it was not unusual in Florida 265 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,120 during the period right after World War II. 266 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,120 The Dade County Clerk's office 267 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,120 was the only place where the Dade County Clerk's office 268 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,120 was found. 269 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,120 The Dade County Clerk's office 270 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,120 was the only place where the Dade County Clerk's office 271 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,120 was found. 272 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,120 The Dade County Clerk's office 273 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,120 was the only place where the Dade County Clerk's office 274 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,120 was found. 275 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,120 The Dade County Clerk's office 276 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,120 was the only place where the Dade County Clerk's office 277 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,120 was found. 278 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,120 Along the Pacific Coast, 279 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,120 the hunt is on for the Jap submarine 280 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,120 that brought the war to US soil. 281 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,120 In 1942, the final outcome of World War II 282 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,120 was still very much in doubt. 283 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,120 The United States had every reason to fear 284 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,120 a Japanese invasion of its western shores. 285 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,120 There were known to be Japanese submarines 286 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,120 operating off the coast. 287 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,120 There had been an attack on an oil refinery 288 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,120 down near Santa Monica. 289 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,120 Los Angeles. 290 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,120 There was great fear that there would be 291 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,120 more attacks. 292 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,120 One response to the threat 293 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,120 was unusual to say the least. 294 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,120 The Navy assembled an unlikely fleet 295 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,120 of 12 odd-sized blimps to monitor 296 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,120 possible enemy activity 297 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,120 along the California coastline. 298 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,120 The mission of Airship Squadron 32, 299 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,120 though critical, was launched 300 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,120 in 1932, until August 16, 1942. 301 00:17:13,120 --> 00:17:16,120 That day, an airship on its regular patrol 302 00:17:16,120 --> 00:17:18,120 made a spectacular descent 303 00:17:18,120 --> 00:17:21,120 and crashed to Earth with no one on board. 304 00:17:21,120 --> 00:17:24,120 Incredibly, its two-man crew had vanished 305 00:17:24,120 --> 00:17:27,120 and no trace of them was ever found. 306 00:17:27,120 --> 00:17:30,120 The legend of the ghost blimp had been born. 307 00:17:31,120 --> 00:17:33,120 It was almost impossible for the Hamdatu 308 00:17:33,120 --> 00:17:35,120 to have been seen by somebody, 309 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:39,120 but nobody saw them go, nobody saw them jump, 310 00:17:39,120 --> 00:17:42,120 and there's no relics of them at all. 311 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:44,120 A real puzzle. 312 00:17:48,120 --> 00:17:51,120 It was perhaps a strangest home front incident 313 00:17:51,120 --> 00:17:53,120 of the Second World War. 314 00:17:53,120 --> 00:17:56,120 So strange that many remember as if it happened 315 00:17:56,120 --> 00:17:58,120 only yesterday. 316 00:17:58,120 --> 00:18:01,120 Throughout the entire war, Airship Squadron 32 317 00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:04,120 lost only the two men who disappeared on that patrol. 318 00:18:04,120 --> 00:18:07,120 50 years later, their exact fate is still unknown, 319 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:10,120 and the mystery surrounding the ghost blimp 320 00:18:10,120 --> 00:18:13,120 remains a subject of endless fascination. 321 00:18:16,120 --> 00:18:19,120 Sunday, August 16, 1942, 322 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:22,120 the flight of the ghost blimp began like hundreds of others had. 323 00:18:22,120 --> 00:18:24,120 Just after 6 a.m., 324 00:18:24,120 --> 00:18:27,120 a blimp-designated Flight 101 prepared to take off. 325 00:18:30,120 --> 00:18:34,120 Flight 101's pilots were 27-year-old Lieutenant Ernest DeWitt Cote 326 00:18:34,120 --> 00:18:37,120 and 34-year-old Ensign Charles Ellis Adams. 327 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:40,120 Both were experienced and reliable, 328 00:18:40,120 --> 00:18:43,120 all the more reason to wonder about what would occur 329 00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:45,120 over the next five hours. 330 00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:48,120 Lieutenant Cote was a thoroughly experienced pilot. 331 00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:52,120 He had many, many hours in this particular type of an aircraft. 332 00:18:52,120 --> 00:18:56,120 He was called a very cool, determined, 333 00:18:56,120 --> 00:18:59,120 if somewhat taciturn officer. 334 00:18:59,120 --> 00:19:02,120 Adams had flown in the large dirgeables 335 00:19:02,120 --> 00:19:04,120 and was thoroughly checked out, 336 00:19:04,120 --> 00:19:07,120 but he had never flown in the small blimps, 337 00:19:07,120 --> 00:19:11,120 and this was an indoctrination flight for him that Sunday morning. 338 00:19:12,120 --> 00:19:14,120 Aviation Machinist mate Riley Hill 339 00:19:14,120 --> 00:19:17,120 was assigned a crew for Adams and Cote that morning. 340 00:19:17,120 --> 00:19:19,120 But just before departure, 341 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:22,120 Hill was inexplicably ordered to leave the ship. 342 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:25,120 No need for you to go, Riley. 343 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:27,120 Adams and I will take it. Yes, sir. 344 00:19:27,120 --> 00:19:29,120 Hill now believes heavy moisture in the air 345 00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:31,120 was weighing the blimp down, 346 00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:35,120 making it unwise to take off with three men aboard. 347 00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:39,120 So I got out, shut the door, and locked it, closed, 348 00:19:39,120 --> 00:19:41,120 and they took off. 349 00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:48,120 The flight plan called for the 101 to depart Treasure Island, 350 00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:50,120 pass over the Golden Gate Bridge, 351 00:19:50,120 --> 00:19:54,120 then head to the Farallon Islands 25 miles off the coast. 352 00:19:54,120 --> 00:19:57,120 From there, the patrol will continue north the Point Reyes 353 00:19:57,120 --> 00:19:59,120 and south along the coastline. 354 00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:06,120 The first leg proceeded without incident. 355 00:20:07,120 --> 00:20:10,120 An hour and a half after takeoff at 7.38 a.m., 356 00:20:10,120 --> 00:20:14,120 Lieutenant Cody at Radio Squadron headquarters at Moffett Field, 357 00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:18,120 positioned four miles east of the Farallons, stand by. 358 00:20:19,120 --> 00:20:22,120 Four minutes later, Cody called again. 359 00:20:24,120 --> 00:20:27,120 Investigating suspicious oil sling, stand by. 360 00:20:28,120 --> 00:20:30,120 Go 101. 361 00:20:30,120 --> 00:20:34,120 Those were the last words ever received from Flight 101. 362 00:20:34,120 --> 00:20:36,120 Go 101. 363 00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:42,120 When it came time for further explanation, 364 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:46,120 and we didn't get it, we just assumed, well, that was negative, 365 00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:49,120 and they went on their way. 366 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:51,120 Then it came time for the hourly position report, 367 00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:55,120 and that didn't come in, and the second one didn't come in. 368 00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:59,120 And that's when we began to feel that something was grossly wrong, 369 00:20:59,120 --> 00:21:02,120 and we just could not believe that our radios weren't working 370 00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:07,120 because we had good radio crew and the machinery was working. 371 00:21:08,120 --> 00:21:11,120 After more than three hours of radio silence, 372 00:21:11,120 --> 00:21:14,120 personnel at Moffett Field grew increasingly alarmed. 373 00:21:14,120 --> 00:21:17,120 Fraddyk attempts to contact the blimp when unanswered. 374 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:18,120 Any word yet? 375 00:21:18,120 --> 00:21:19,120 No, sir. 376 00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:22,120 No communications from the crew since the report at 7.42. 377 00:21:22,120 --> 00:21:25,120 I'm investigating suspicious oil sling. 378 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:26,120 Yes, sir. 379 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:28,120 Flight 101. 380 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:32,120 Finally, a message was received, but not from Flight 101. 381 00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:34,120 San Francisco short patrol. 382 00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:36,120 One blimp crossed the beach at playland, 383 00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:39,120 crashed into the golf course, and dropped the depth charge, 384 00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:41,120 peeled it off. 385 00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:44,120 Let's get a team over there right away. 386 00:21:44,120 --> 00:21:47,120 The blimp had come ashore just south of San Francisco. 387 00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:53,120 Flight 101 had inexplicably drifted eight miles off course. 388 00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:57,120 There was a swimmer there, a man called Mr. Capovia, 389 00:21:57,120 --> 00:22:00,120 who was standing ready to go into the water, 390 00:22:00,120 --> 00:22:05,120 and all of a sudden he saw this huge gray mass just coming right at him. 391 00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:10,120 Remember, this thing is 47 feet wide, and it wasn't too high off the water. 392 00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:12,120 And he watched it come in. 393 00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:15,120 It dragged its wheel along the sand at the water's edge, 394 00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:17,120 then hit a little sand knoll. 395 00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:21,120 It bounced up into the air and then slid up a little bit of a canyon, 396 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:25,120 and then hit rather heavily on the side of the canyon, 397 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:29,120 and this knocked off what turned out to be depth charge. 398 00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:35,120 Relieved of the weight, the L8 then soared up into the overcast again, 399 00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:38,120 and out of sight of this Mr. Capovia, 400 00:22:38,120 --> 00:22:43,120 and began to drift inland, I guess, with the winds over Daly City. 401 00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:49,120 The rapidly deflating blimp was seen by hundreds of people. 402 00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:53,120 Bunny Gillespie was 16 years old at the time. 403 00:22:53,120 --> 00:22:55,120 I was on the way home from Sunday school, 404 00:22:55,120 --> 00:23:00,120 and I saw this big gray thing coming in over 405 00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:03,120 what I thought was going to be right over Templeton Avenue. 406 00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:07,120 When I saw this thing coming in through the sky, 407 00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:10,120 I was very surprised, as were a lot of other people, 408 00:23:10,120 --> 00:23:13,120 because things like that just didn't happen in Daly City. 409 00:23:14,120 --> 00:23:17,120 Flight 101 was quickly losing altitude 410 00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:20,120 and in danger of becoming entangled in power lines. 411 00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:26,120 The blimp was on a collision course with the steep hills in Daly City. 412 00:23:28,120 --> 00:23:32,120 One woman's house almost became the point of impact. 413 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:35,120 It was a Mrs. Appleton. 414 00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:40,120 She said that all of a sudden this huge behemoth had settled 415 00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:42,120 and scraped across the top of her roof, 416 00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:45,120 and she said it sounded like chains dragging. 417 00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:51,120 But the entire house was blacked out because of the size of this thing, 418 00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:55,120 and she raised to the front window, wondering what the world was going on, 419 00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:59,120 and she saw the rest of it, the gondola hit the crossarm, 420 00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:03,120 break off part of the mechanism there, 421 00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:06,120 and gradually settled down to the ground. 422 00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:08,120 I missed the actual landing of the thing, 423 00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:12,120 but when I got there it was just like a big gray monster 424 00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:17,120 with the gondola jutting up towards the tops of the houses. 425 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:18,120 It was huge. 426 00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:21,120 Miraculously no one was injured 427 00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:24,120 as a blimp came to rest in the middle of the street. 428 00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:29,120 Almost immediately, Daly City officials were on the scene. 429 00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:31,120 When Navy personnel arrived, 430 00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:36,120 they were stunned to discover that there was no sign of Lieutenant Cody or Ensign Adams. 431 00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:40,120 Apparently the blimp had piloted itself 432 00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:43,120 straight into downtown Daly City. 433 00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:51,120 A search of the gondola left investigators perplexed. 434 00:24:52,120 --> 00:24:56,120 The door was latched open, a highly unusual in-flight position. 435 00:24:56,120 --> 00:25:01,120 The safety bar, normally used to block the doorway, was no longer in place. 436 00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:07,120 A microphone hooked to an external loudspeaker dangled out of the gondola. 437 00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:11,120 The ignition switches were still on. 438 00:25:12,120 --> 00:25:15,120 The radio was still on and working. 439 00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:19,120 Nobody had touched my fuel valves. 440 00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:23,120 They were set up just exactly the way that I'd left them. 441 00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:27,120 We still had another six hours of fuel. 442 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:33,120 Two lifejackets out of the three that were normally carried aboard were missing, 443 00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:37,120 but there was no other equipment that was gone. 444 00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:42,120 The machine gun was still there, the other flares, 445 00:25:42,120 --> 00:25:44,120 there were three other flares were still there. 446 00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:51,120 The expandable life raft was there and one more lifejacket. 447 00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:53,120 There was nothing missing. 448 00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:57,120 Lieutenant Cody's cap lay on the instrument panel. 449 00:25:57,120 --> 00:26:01,120 The missing lifejackets indicated the crew had put them on before takeoff 450 00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:04,120 as regulations required. 451 00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:11,120 A locked and heavily weighted briefcase containing top secret codes was still in place. 452 00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:18,120 It was as if Cody and Adams had opened the door and simply stepped out into thin air. 453 00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:27,120 The Navy investigation revealed that Flight 101 had been seen by several ships and planes 454 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:29,120 between 7 and 11 a.m. 455 00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:34,120 Some of the eyewitnesses reported being close enough to make out Cody and Adams in the gondola. 456 00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:39,120 In each instance, everything about Flight 101 seemed normal. 457 00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:46,120 Speculation on the fate of the two Navy airmen ran rampant. 458 00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:50,120 Some people believe that Cody and Adams had spotted an enemy submarine. 459 00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:54,120 When they descended to investigate, they were taken prisoner. 460 00:26:55,120 --> 00:27:02,120 One outrageous rumor suggested that the pirates were involved in a lover's triangle with an unknown woman. 461 00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:09,120 One had murdered the other in a jealous rage the story went and then fled when the LA reached land. 462 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:14,120 The Navy finally settled on the most plausible theory. 463 00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:19,120 There had been an accident on board, perhaps caused by mechanical malfunction. 464 00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:25,120 Presumably one of the men had climbed outside the gondola to correct the problem and had run into trouble. 465 00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:30,120 When the second man tried to come to his aid, both fell to their doom. 466 00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:42,120 A year later, on August 17, 1943, Lieutenant Ernest DeWitt Cody and Ensign Charles Ellis Adams were officially declared dead 467 00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:46,120 and the mystery of Flight 101 passed into legend. 468 00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:57,120 After the crash, the L-8 was patched up and put back into service by the Navy. 469 00:27:57,120 --> 00:28:05,120 Ultimately, the blimp became part of the Goodyear fleet and during the 1960s and 70s, it was seen by millions of sporting events. 470 00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:12,120 Few of them had any idea that the stately craft circling overhead was a fabled ghost blimp. 471 00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:21,120 Next, a respected community leader goes into hiding after he is convicted of statutory rape and sexual assault. 472 00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:35,120 Perhaps the most disturbing crimes are those that betray the trust of children. 473 00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:43,120 In 1981, a group of teenage girls in Danbury, Connecticut were betrayed by a respected community leader. 474 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:50,120 Reggie DePama was a 12-year veteran of the Danbury Fire Department and adviser to a local explorer scout post. 475 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:57,120 But behind the facade of respectability, DePama was a time bomb just waiting to explode. 476 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:07,120 In 1978, Reggie DePama had organized the explorer post in affiliation with the fire department. 477 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:15,120 His girlfriend, Connie, was co-leader and the group quickly became a popular after-school activity. 478 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:23,120 When I first joined the troop, my impression of Reggie and Connie were that they were very nice people. 479 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:28,120 So it was just never even a question that you would not trust them with anything. 480 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:36,120 You just tell them confidential things and you would really feel like you would trust them all the time and go to them if you needed help. 481 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:47,120 By 1981, the explorer posts had grown to include 15 girls and 10 boys. 482 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:53,120 They met at the fire station regularly and were drilled in life-saving and rescue techniques. 483 00:29:55,120 --> 00:30:02,120 Reggie was supervisor of Danbury's ambulance service and the scout's training was often interrupted by emergency calls. 484 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:15,120 The post members idolized Reggie DePama and he soon became a virtual hero, especially to the girls. 485 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:23,120 It's kind of hard to describe Reggie. 486 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:30,120 Reggie was a lot of fun. Reggie and his girlfriend, Connie, they were easygoing people. 487 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:38,120 They were easy to talk to. If you had a problem, they really wanted you to open up to them and get close to them. 488 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:44,120 And, you know, they were good at getting people's trust. 489 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:54,120 In 1981, the explorers organized a Halloween-haunted house to raise money for an upcoming camping trip. 490 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,120 It was a night which would burn itself into Terry's memory. 491 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,120 So you're 13 and you still don't have a boyfriend? 492 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,120 Yeah. 493 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,120 Have you ever gone all the way with a boy before? 494 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,120 No. 495 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:11,120 Well, I'd like to teach you about that because I'm your friend. Are you my friend? 496 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:12,120 Yeah. 497 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,120 Good. 498 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:24,120 I thought that he was concerned with me and, you know, how I'd, you know, handle it because we were at that age. 499 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:36,120 And, you know, I took it as like a fatherly concern and, you know, something that, you know, he wanted to not be a part of but help with. 500 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,120 Hey, are you okay? 501 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,120 Yeah, just something Reggie said. 502 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,120 And, you know, Johnny came up to me and said, you know, we have to go get some things. 503 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,120 You know, why don't you come with me? 504 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:53,120 And we, you know, promptly went back to the house where Reggie was waiting. 505 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:04,120 We went back to the apartment and, you know, she said, why don't you go shower and, you know, get some of this makeup off. 506 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:09,120 So I did. I didn't think anything of it. When I came out, it all happened. 507 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:13,120 Hey. 508 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,120 Hey. 509 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,120 Hey. 510 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:23,120 Come on in, honey. 511 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,120 Yeah, we're just watching some TV. 512 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:30,120 That night, Reggie forced Terry to have sexual intercourse while Connie watched. 513 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:38,120 Tragically, Terry was not Reggie De Palma's first victim, nor would she be his last. 514 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:52,120 I was 13 years old and I did not go immediately to my parents or the authorities because at that age, I don't think that you have any understanding even what's going on. 515 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:59,120 You just feel a terrible amount of humiliation, of guilt. What did I do wrong to cause this to happen? 516 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,120 I don't know what to do. I can't believe he did it to you. 517 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:08,120 Over the next year, Reggie De Palma continued to sexually abuse girls in the Explorer post. 518 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,120 Finally, they began to confide in one another. 519 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,120 Are you guys going to go back? I mean, if he asks you. 520 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,120 I've been back, but I can't go back anymore. 521 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:28,120 One of the girls had gotten upset about something and started talking and it just started snowballing because as soon as she said something, then the next person and everybody started coming forth. 522 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:34,120 And then we all realized that we weren't alone, that we were all in this group together and that together we could try to stop this. 523 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,120 We have to tell somebody. 524 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,120 Okay. 525 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,120 Are you going to do it? 526 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,120 We'll go with you if you want. 527 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:43,120 Yeah. 528 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:44,120 Will you tell? 529 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:45,120 Yeah. 530 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,120 I'll tell my mom. 531 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,120 Okay. 532 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:58,120 One of the girls' mothers came to the police station to report what her daughter had told her. 533 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:07,120 So Detective Benjamin and I were assigned to investigate this and I spoke with all the girls involved and he spoke with all the boys. 534 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:13,120 At that point, you know, I was still very young in high school trying to deal with all this. 535 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,120 It was not an easy thing to just discuss with someone to tell them. 536 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:22,120 She was very supportive. She was very nice and helped me through it a lot. 537 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:29,120 So what I need to know is did you ever have occasion to be alone with Reggie? 538 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:36,120 Um, yeah. There was one time when I was at his apartment. 539 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,120 Okay. So what happened once you got to the apartment? 540 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,120 He gave me some wine. 541 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:48,120 Uh-huh. And how much wine did you have? 542 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,120 Three glasses. 543 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,120 Three glasses of wine? 544 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,120 Three. 545 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,120 Okay. 546 00:34:53,120 --> 00:35:04,120 Right off the bat, when I heard the stories that these girls told, I felt myself betrayed and I don't even know Reggie. 547 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:13,120 These girls were so devastated over what had happened to them that I had nightmares. 548 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,120 To his bedroom. 549 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:22,120 The details of what they were telling me made me feel such rage towards this man. 550 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:27,120 I had to get him rested as soon as possible. 551 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,120 Why don't you just tell me what's going on, Russ? 552 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,120 Five counts of child molestation, Reggie. 553 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:36,120 You have the right to remain silent. You understand? 554 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:37,120 Yeah. 555 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,120 You have the right to an attorney. You understand? 556 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:44,120 If you waive that right, anything you say or do will be used against you in a court of law. You understand? 557 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:45,120 Yeah. 558 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:50,120 On the same day Reggie was arrested, his girlfriend Connie was questioned. 559 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:56,120 She believed in him so much she would have done anything for him. 560 00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:08,120 And she felt so insecure about their relationship that she even went this far to do these things with these girls for Reggie. 561 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,120 Ladies and gentlemen, I just have one more set of questions I'd like to ask Terry. 562 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:22,120 Just over a year after his arrest, Reggie Dupama went to trial on nine counts, including two counts of statutory rape and five counts of risking injury to a minor. 563 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:31,120 This terrible night, you didn't tell someone about what happened. Why particularly you didn't tell your parents? 564 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:43,120 I thought that they would think less of me and that maybe it was my fault too. And Reggie had told me not to tell anybody. 565 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:52,120 Reggie Dupama, the first day during the trial, was obvious that he did not believe the girls had the courage to testify against him. 566 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:59,120 He felt he still had sufficient sway over them that they would crumble on the witness stand. 567 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:07,120 After the first witness was able to testify against him, certainly then his conference had to waver. 568 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:15,120 And of course after the third girl had testified, he must have decided that he would be better in parts unknown. 569 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:27,120 After the fifth day of the trial, Reggie Dupama, who was out on bail, left Danbury to visit his mother. 570 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:32,120 She was hospitalized at New Haven, Connecticut, 38 miles away. 571 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:37,120 Although his car was found in the hospital parking lot, Dupama never showed up in his mother's room. 572 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:42,120 A fugitive warrant was issued for his arrest. 573 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:54,120 The trial continued without him and on October 25, 1983, Reggie Dupama was convicted on seven counts and sentenced in absentia to 21 years in prison. 574 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:59,120 He is still at large and has never served a single day behind bars. 575 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:05,120 His victims are now adults, but the chilling effects of abuse linger. 576 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:13,120 There are times when I'll psych myself out, like if I'm leaving work late or when I was in college, 577 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:20,120 if I was walking back to the dorms or something late at night, that I was like, you know, he's out there somewhere. 578 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,120 You know, he could be watching me right now. 579 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:27,120 When I think about the fact that he's still out there somewhere is very upsetting. 580 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:34,120 The first, of course, to all of us, the injustice that we feel because he is not paying for the crimes that were committed. 581 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:42,120 And then again, the fear for other people out there that he could be harming individuals all over again and put them all through this living hell. 582 00:38:53,120 --> 00:39:11,120 When we return, a convicted killer claims he is innocent and at least one prosecutor believes he is telling the truth. 583 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:40,120 In the past, we've presented a number of final appeal cases, dramatic profiles of men and women who claim they have been wrongfully convicted of a crime. 584 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:46,120 They were saying that they knew that their baby had been poisoned by either me or my husband. 585 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,120 I was devastated. I was blown away. 586 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:55,120 I just could not believe that they could even think, I mean, Ryan was my world. 587 00:39:55,120 --> 00:40:01,120 In 1989, Patty Stallings was arrested for poisoning her five-month-old son. 588 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:05,120 When the baby died, she was charged with murder and later convicted. 589 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:13,120 Unfortunately, we can't undo the suffering that the Stallings have endured. 590 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:17,120 And I apologize to them, both personally and for the state of Missouri. 591 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:27,120 After our broadcast, Patty Stallings was released from prison and exonerated when doctors determined that her son, Ryan, had actually suffered from a rare genetic disorder. 592 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:38,120 I absolutely did not commit to robbery or the shooting of the police officer. I'm a musician and artist. I'm not a criminal. 593 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:48,120 Tony Miller spent eight and a half years in prison for robbery and assault. Today, Miller is a free man, and the charges against him have been dropped. 594 00:40:48,120 --> 00:41:02,120 After his story aired, a viewer who had been an eyewitness to the crime contacted the court. Miller's conviction was overturned thanks in part to the witness's sworn statement that Tony was not the guilty party. 595 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:13,120 I am innocent. It's a phrase that echoes through every cell block in every prison in America. Almost always, it is an empty claim, little more than jailhouse posturing. 596 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:22,120 But as you've just seen, those three words do sometimes carry the ring of truth. A few cases like our next one deserve a second look. 597 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:31,120 January 3, 1972. Two boys out fishing on Taylor Bayou near Webster, Texas, found evidence of a tragedy. 598 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:42,120 What's that right there? That looks like a ball. 599 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:55,120 It was a scull of a young girl. Six weeks later, police discovered the rest of her bones, along with the remains of another young woman. 600 00:41:55,120 --> 00:42:00,120 Come on in here and get a shot of this. 601 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:14,120 Dental records identify the two girls as 14-year-old Rhonda Renee Johnson and 15-year-old Sharon Shaw, who'd been missing since a previous summer. The cause of their deaths could not be determined. 602 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:26,120 Five months after the bones were found, police arrested 23-year-old Michael Self, a gas station attendant with below average intelligence. Self was charged with two counts of murder. 603 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:33,120 Twenty years later, he is still in prison, convicted of a crime he swears he did not commit. 604 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:49,120 I did not kill Sharon Shaw and Renee Johnson. It was just all behind politics and a warning of conviction. That was it. Just somebody to play the patsy. 605 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:58,120 Imagine that you're a jury member in a murder trial. The defendant has confessed twice and you vote to convict him. 606 00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:08,120 Later, you discover that confessions were allegedly coerced by two police officers, used a kind of rough justice, physical and psychological intimidation. 607 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:19,120 As it turned out, those two police officers were criminals themselves. It may seem incredible, but Michael Self claims that he was a victim of just that scenario. 608 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:34,120 Rhonda Johnson and Sharon Shaw disappeared on August 4, 1971. They were last seen heading toward the Jericho Surf and Ski Shop in Galveston, Texas, 20 miles south of Rhonda's hometown of Webster. 609 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:50,120 Police immediately launched an exhaustive investigation. There was a great deal of community pressure to find the girls. Pressure intensified by the fact that Rhonda was a granddaughter of a prominent Webster City Councilman. 610 00:43:51,120 --> 00:44:08,120 I put in many hours, many hours, night and day, on trying to find out what happened to these girls when they disappeared. But I kept coming up to some loose ends. I was getting close to, I thought, for them then it would disappear. All my leads would disappear. 611 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,120 We're all for luck you have a couple of DPS boys on board. 612 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:23,120 In late May of 1972, the Webster City Council hired a new police chief, Don Morris. Morris and his assistant chief, Tommy Deal, came from the traffic division of the Texas Department of Public Safety. 613 00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,120 Son, I'm glad you're with us. I know I can count on you. 614 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:28,120 Yes, sir. 615 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:35,120 The hunt for Rhonda and Sharon had been going on fruitlessly for 10 months, but within three weeks of taking office, Morris got a tip on a suspect. 616 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:40,120 Seems to me a few years back a boy named Michael Self was... 617 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:50,120 Glenn Price, another city councilman, suggested Tommy Deal checked known sex offenders and mentioned Michael Self's name. Self had been arrested twice in peeping Tom incidents. 618 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,120 I know you do. Good job, Tommy. 619 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:53,120 Give it a whirl, Glenn. 620 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:54,120 Bye. 621 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:55,120 Bye. 622 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:10,120 June 9th, 1972, at 5 a.m., assistant chief Tommy Deal and officer Herman Morgan stopped by the gas station where 23-year-old Michael Self worked the night shift. 623 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,120 Say, look here, Mike. 624 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:13,120 What's up? 625 00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,120 You got ESP? 626 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,120 Say it again? 627 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,120 I got ESP. 628 00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:19,120 Is that right? 629 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,120 That's right. 630 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:25,120 And I can tell you exactly what you're thinking right now. 631 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,120 You're thinking about two girls. 632 00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,120 Well, I didn't know what two girls he was talking about. 633 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:35,120 Well, I don't see what the problem is. 634 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,120 My wife and I had been separated. 635 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:38,120 Yeah. 636 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,120 And I was dating a girl. 637 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:45,120 And I thought that's who he was, you know, talking about. That's the only one I could think of. 638 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:52,120 Later that morning, Michael Self voluntarily went to the police station. 639 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,120 Police detective, Detective Haines. 640 00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,120 I knew I hadn't done anything. 641 00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,120 I just went ahead and agreed to meet him there. 642 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,120 Now, Mike, I want you to answer some questions for me. 643 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:09,120 I want you to tell us if you've ever seen either one of these girls before. 644 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,120 Some said he recognized the girls but did not know them. 645 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:13,120 Yes. 646 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:15,120 Renee Johnson. 647 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,120 To his surprise, he was immediately taken into custody. 648 00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:19,120 Sharon Shaw. 649 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:20,120 That's right. 650 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:21,120 Cuffing. 651 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:22,120 Why? 652 00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:23,120 We are putting you under arrest. 653 00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:24,120 Right here, son. 654 00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,120 Sit down in that chair. 655 00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:27,120 All right. 656 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,120 Mike, Mike, Mike. 657 00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,120 You know, we already know you killed those two girls. 658 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,120 We got the evidence. 659 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:40,120 Oh, come on. 660 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,120 I didn't have nothing to do with killing no girls. 661 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:43,120 And you all know that. 662 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:48,120 While Self was being questioned, another police officer, Jerry Mitchell, stopped by to observe. 663 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:54,120 Mitchell knew Self and says Self was not at all nervous at that stage of the interrogation. 664 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:55,120 What happened to somebody? 665 00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,120 They get called for doing something like that. 666 00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:58,120 Mike was relaxed. 667 00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,120 He was going kind of laid back and grinning. 668 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:08,120 And I don't know that it ever really sunk into, at that time, what he was being involved in. 669 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,120 You got something to tell us? 670 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,120 Well, like I say, I ain't done nothing. 671 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,120 I ain't broke no law. 672 00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,120 Don't you need to be on patrol? 673 00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,120 Mitchell left the room. 674 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:28,120 According to Self, Chief Don Morris then took personal charge of the interrogation and the tone changed radically. 675 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,120 No, Don, we're not. 676 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,120 What, is he innocent? 677 00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:35,120 You ain't a Saint Michael? 678 00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:36,120 Yes, sir. 679 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,120 They were down, weren't you? 680 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,120 Go home and take a nap and let me in? 681 00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:44,120 What you were about to see is based on Michael Self's recollection. 682 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,120 Yeah, Michael. 683 00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:52,120 Don Morris started asking me questions of why I killed these girls. 684 00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:56,120 I told him I didn't know what he was talking about. 685 00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,120 I've seen a lot of innocent people, Michael. 686 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,120 You don't look like one of them. 687 00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,120 Tell me about the girls. 688 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:08,120 Don't really know what you want me to tell you about the girls, sir. 689 00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:14,120 He said that he wanted a confession I wasn't going to leave until he got one. 690 00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,120 Tell me about the girls. 691 00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,120 I don't know nothing about no girls, I done told you. 692 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:24,120 I think I go around to some stray dogs. 693 00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,120 Hey, be careful out there. 694 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:32,120 I said, don't you ever guilty conscience for doing this, 695 00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:36,120 having to look Roy Johnson in the face. 696 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:40,120 And I'd tell him that I didn't know what he was talking about. 697 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:44,120 He had him against the wall. 698 00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,120 My hands were behind my back. 699 00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:54,120 And he's poking this night stick in my stomp and said he was going to get a confession. 700 00:48:55,120 --> 00:49:01,120 You tell him he was more or less a mad man about it. 701 00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,120 You getting tired of this, Michael? 702 00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,120 I'm pretty tired of it myself. 703 00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,120 I was crying, I was upset. 704 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:20,120 He took his gun, opens the cylinder and takes five bullets and stands him on end, where I can see him. 705 00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:24,120 I want you to tell me where you picked him up. 706 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,120 I told you sir. 707 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,120 I was most scared. 708 00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:32,120 I didn't know what was going on, I didn't know what to say. 709 00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,120 Because I will blow your head off. 710 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,120 No! 711 00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,120 Tell me about the girls. 712 00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:44,120 He closed it, he spun the chamber and he points his gun like this 713 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:49,120 and says he's going to blow my brains out if I don't sign the confession. 714 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,120 Okay, okay, okay. 715 00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:59,120 Now, I want you to write down everything you remember about that day. 716 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,120 He had already beaten up half to death. 717 00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:07,120 He poke him in the stomach and I can see that he was meant what he said. 718 00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:11,120 And I ask him, what do you want me to sign? 719 00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:17,120 He tells me that he'll tell me what to write. 720 00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:21,120 You were drinking beer while you were riding around, didn't that the way it happened? 721 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,120 Yes, sir. 722 00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,120 Less than an hour after Jerry Mitchell left the room, he returned. 723 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,120 Self now seemed upset and visibly shaken. 724 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,120 Let me see what you wrote down. 725 00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:39,120 My opinion kind of being led in the sequence of events is how they wanted it written. 726 00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:44,120 I had seen you at about half a page of writing on there by the time it was all over with. 727 00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:48,120 I think they had to rewrite that when something wasn't right in it. 728 00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,120 I want you to write some truth. Now let's start again. 729 00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:55,120 Not being part of the investigation, I really wasn't privy to all the details of it. 730 00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,120 The why's and the wherefores. 731 00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:01,120 But I do know that they re-wrote the confessions several times. 732 00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:05,120 Self's confession, however, did not fit the known facts of the girl's disappearance. 733 00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,120 One glaring instance. 734 00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:11,120 The confession said self dumped the bodies at a place called El Largo 735 00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:15,120 20 miles from the Taylor Bayou where the bodies are actually found. 736 00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:21,120 Self's appellate attorney, Jerry Bernberg, points out other discrepancies. 737 00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:26,120 There's the statement in here that what he did was, in essence, he choked one of the two girls. 738 00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:31,120 There was no evidence of the breaking of some very tender bones in the neck 739 00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:37,120 that necessarily would have been damaged if, in fact, he had choked one of the girls to death. 740 00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:42,120 There is this claim that he went to Sharon Shaw's house. 741 00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:48,120 Well, Sharon Shaw's family contradicts that, so she wasn't home that day. That didn't occur. 742 00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:52,120 There's the statement that the girls were hanging out of the window and hollering 743 00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,120 as they were all driving in the car. 744 00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:58,120 And yet Dave Colburn did this very thorough investigation 745 00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:05,120 and nobody saw the two girls that night or anybody else driving down the road, hollering, waving and screaming. 746 00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:11,120 I had statements from two girls signed by their parents as a witness 747 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:18,120 that they talked to Sharon Shaw and Ray Johnson in Galveston between 8 and 9 o'clock. 748 00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:25,120 There's no conceivable way that Sharon Shaw and Ray Johnson could have got another ride and been in Webster 749 00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:30,120 riding around with Michael O'odself at the time that they've gotten this confession. 750 00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:35,120 Three days after Michael O'odself's arrest, he went against his original attorney's advice 751 00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,120 and agreed to take a lie detector test. 752 00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,120 Is your first name Michael? 753 00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,120 Yes, sir. 754 00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:48,120 According to Jerry Bernberg, police asked self about more area murders. 755 00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:55,120 Between July 1971 and February 1972, seven other young girls and one young boy 756 00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:59,120 had been found murdered in a four-cowdy area that included Webster. 757 00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:03,120 Do you know who caused the death of the two girls? 758 00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,120 Yes. 759 00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,120 In the course of giving him the polygraph exam, they say, 760 00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,120 well, now we've got this statement that you gave last Friday 761 00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,120 where you confessed to killing these two girls. 762 00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:13,120 Is it true? 763 00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:14,120 And he says, yeah. 764 00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,120 And the lie detector says, no, it's not. 765 00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,120 It's not true at all. 766 00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,120 Yes, sir. 767 00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:24,120 After taking the polygraph, self says he was still so afraid of Chief Morris 768 00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,120 that he agreed to sign a second confession. 769 00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,120 It did not mention any of the other murders, 770 00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:35,120 but did contain a new version of the deaths of Rhonda and Sharon. 771 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:39,120 In the first confession, self said he struck Sharon Shaw with his fist 772 00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,120 and shoved the girls' bodies into a culvert. 773 00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:46,120 In the second, self claimed he hit Shaw with a coke bottle 774 00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,120 and dumped their bodies in the bayou. 775 00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:52,120 The second confession also says self stripped the murdered girls of their clothing 776 00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,120 and tossed it out along the highway. 777 00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,120 However, clothing was found with the remains, 778 00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,120 along with an unidentified set of car keys 779 00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:06,120 and a crucifix worn by Sharon Shaw. 780 00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:10,120 There was a slight difference in the two written confessions. 781 00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:17,120 But all I had to do was offer in evidence the confession I wanted to go with. 782 00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:21,120 And if the facts, the outlying facts, 783 00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:25,120 tended to support the elements of this confession, 784 00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:29,120 that's all I needed if the jury believed it. 785 00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,120 You were out driving around around 9 or 10 o'clock, weren't you? 786 00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:33,120 Yes, sir. 787 00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,120 Two weeks after self's arrest, 788 00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,120 two Harris County Sheriff's deputies checked him out of jail 789 00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,120 in the pretext of buying him a hamburger. 790 00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:45,120 Afterwards, they drove him to places mentioned in the confessions 791 00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:48,120 and took pictures of him at each location. 792 00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:52,120 It was presented in court as a third confession. 793 00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,120 He didn't confess a third time. 794 00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,120 He went on a ride with two police officers 795 00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,120 who had illegally checked him out of the jail 796 00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,120 to drive him around to take pictures to get evidence for a trial. 797 00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,120 They didn't discover anything new. 798 00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,120 While self was awaiting trial, 799 00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,120 he was visited by Dave Coburn, 800 00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,120 who was by then chief of police in nearby Cleveland, Texas. 801 00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:18,120 How you doing, Mr. Coburn? 802 00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:19,120 Fine, how are you doing? 803 00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,120 Well, not too good. 804 00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:25,120 At the time, he looked very depressed and very distraught, 805 00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:26,120 you know, when I walked in. 806 00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:27,120 Oh, that's a good... 807 00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,120 And I asked him, he said he didn't do it, 808 00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,120 and I asked him what had happened. 809 00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:36,120 And he had told me about Don Morris 810 00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,120 threatening him with this Billy Club and poking him. 811 00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,120 He pulled out his gun. 812 00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:42,120 Yes. 813 00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,120 When he made that statement to me, 814 00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,120 I knew what had to come down, 815 00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:53,120 because a year prior, I witnessed Don Morris 816 00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,120 taking one shell out of his revolver, 817 00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:59,120 hiding it, placing five shells in front of a prisoner, 818 00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:02,120 and playing Russian roulette with that prisoner, threatening him. 819 00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,120 And there's no doubt in my mind 820 00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,120 that he did that to Michael O'Leary. 821 00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,120 He was a very good man. 822 00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,120 He was a very good man. 823 00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:14,120 I had no doubt in my mind that he did that to Michael O'Leary. 824 00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,120 And when he came to the trial, 825 00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,120 I was prepared to go in and make statements, 826 00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,120 and I was never caught. 827 00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:25,120 I don't know whether he did the Russian roulette number. 828 00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,120 Bottom line, all three confessions are consistent. 829 00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,120 I killed the girls. 830 00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:35,120 All of them are consistent. 831 00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:39,120 On May 15, 1973, Michael O'Leary was convicted of murder 832 00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:43,120 and sentenced to life in prison. 833 00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,120 Three years later, the town of Webster was shocked 834 00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:50,120 when Don Morris and Tommy Deal were arrested for bank robbery. 835 00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,120 They were members of a gang of robbers 836 00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,120 that had been sticking up banks as far back as 1972, 837 00:56:55,120 --> 00:57:00,120 five months before Michael's self was arrested. 838 00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:04,120 In early 1976, Don Morris was sentenced to 55 years. 839 00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:07,120 Tommy Deal to 30 years. 840 00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,120 Both were eventually paroled, 841 00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,120 but Tommy Deal returned to robbing banks 842 00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:15,120 and is now back in federal prison. 843 00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:19,120 Jerry Bernberg petitioned the court to get Michael's self a new trial. 844 00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,120 After an extensive evidentiary hearing 845 00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:24,120 and just nine days before oral arguments, 846 00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,120 the defense got what looked like a gift from heaven. 847 00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,120 It's been bugging me for a long time. 848 00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,120 I just wanted to get it off my chest. 849 00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,120 It was Sharon Shaw and Renee Johnson. 850 00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,120 I'm the one that killed them. 851 00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,120 In the second 1980, a man walked into the police station 852 00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,120 in Tainer Lake, Texas. 853 00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,120 He told George Carrum and state prosecutor Douglas O'Brien 854 00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:47,120 that he, not Michael's self, had murdered Rhonda Johnson 855 00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,120 and Sharon Shaw. 856 00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,120 What did you use to kill them with? 857 00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,120 I don't remember exactly. 858 00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,120 Douglas O'Brien represented the state 859 00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,120 when self-appealed as conviction, 860 00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,120 but now believes self is innocent. 861 00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,120 What did you do with their bodies after you killed them? 862 00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,120 I basically got the impression from him 863 00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,120 that I was trying to get it off his chest 864 00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:08,120 and confess to the fact that he didn't kill the girls, 865 00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,120 but at the same time not give information 866 00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,120 which would allow prosecution of him. 867 00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,120 Where'd you put their bodies in the water? 868 00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,120 I don't know. It was beside where the car was. 869 00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,120 I mean, they didn't want to go through with it on a date, 870 00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,120 and it was like I tied them up with this black cord 871 00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,120 and I tied them up and I just put them in the water. 872 00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,120 His account of how he killed them 873 00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,120 or whatever was very vague and disjointed, 874 00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,120 but he did mention that he used a cord 875 00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:35,120 in which to tie the girls' bodies down 876 00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,120 when he put them into the water. 877 00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,120 The statement by this individual 878 00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,120 indicated that he had tied their feet with black cord. 879 00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,120 Something Michael Self had never mentioned. 880 00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,120 Not found in any statement by Michael Self. 881 00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,120 That was the secret fact 882 00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:52,120 that the police had held back all these years. 883 00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:54,120 This guy knew it. 884 00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,120 That guy was out of his cord. 885 00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,120 He was... I don't know why he came forward. 886 00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:04,120 I think he was unbalanced. 887 00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,120 I don't remember exactly what I did. 888 00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,120 All right? I don't remember exactly. 889 00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,120 What he talked about was anything 890 00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,120 that could have been picked out of the newspaper. 891 00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,120 And even then he had it right. 892 00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,120 There's no question by my mind 893 00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,120 that this person who came forward 894 00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:23,120 was just one of these people who like to confess to crimes. 895 00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:26,120 The individual was clearly a very troubled person 896 00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:29,120 with some flights to psychosis, 897 00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:32,120 but he knew the girls. 898 00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:36,120 He lived in the same apartment complex with one of them. 899 00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,120 And the most important thing of all, 900 00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,120 he knew about the black cord. 901 00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,120 Despite the surprise confession 902 00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,120 and the credibility gap created 903 00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,120 by the criminal activities of Morrison Deal, 904 00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:50,120 Michael Self's conviction was upheld. 905 00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:54,120 They have no quabring evidence whatsoever. 906 00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,120 Nothing to tie him to any murders 907 00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:00,120 or to even being seen with these girls except this. 908 01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:05,120 Which is not worth the paper's rogown. 909 01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:09,120 Legally speaking, he's innocent just from a standpoint 910 01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,120 that, number one, I don't think his confessions 911 01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:13,120 were voluntarily entered. 912 01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,120 Number two, I don't think there's any corroborating evidence 913 01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,120 concerning those confessions. 914 01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:21,120 He was the type of personality 915 01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,120 that was easy prey for Don Morris, 916 01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:27,120 that was easy prey for Tommy Deal. 917 01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:31,120 It's easy prey for bank robbers parading as police officers. 918 01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,120 And that's what happened. 919 01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,120 If he would try today, 920 01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:39,120 naturally some of these areas would be clarified. 921 01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:42,120 These particular points we're talking about. 922 01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:46,120 We go back and spend more time 923 01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,120 and send better investigators out. 924 01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:54,120 And make our decision as to whether to prosecute or not. 925 01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:24,120 Next Wednesday on the season premiere of Unsolved Mysteries. 926 01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,120 For five years, Bruce Kelly has been haunted 927 01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:30,120 by fragmented images of a life not his own. 928 01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,120 The life that apparently ended on a doomed submarine 929 01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,120 during World War II. 930 01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:38,120 Is Kelly's story a remarkable case of reincarnation? 931 01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:41,120 Or is there another, more rational explanation? 932 01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:46,120 In Chicago, a young boy was victimized by a hit-and-run driver. 933 01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:51,120 His family needs your help to find the man they believe was responsible. 934 01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:54,120 And thanks to tips from you, our viewers, 935 01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:58,120 a fugitive cult leader wanted on criminal charges in Missouri 936 01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,120 has been arrested. 937 01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,120 Join me next Wednesday 938 01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:07,120 for the dramatic season premiere of Unsolved Mysteries. 939 01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:51,120 Unolved Mysteries